A Pair of Saws 01/25/2009
If you've been reading my blog for any length of time you know that I like making and using my own tools. However, up until now, most of the tools I've made were mostly made of wood or at least mostly wood. But for some time, I've wanted to replace a couple of my saws with something better. I was just never really happy with them the way they were. As much as I would like one, my tool budget doesn't allow the purchase of a premium saw. I also didn't want to go majorly modifying my current saws. My dovetail saw was shorter than I wanted anyway so modifying it still wouldn't get me what I wanted. So I did what any good Yankee would do, I made them. ![]() The first challenge was the back of the saw. I had never made one before but I did know what I wanted. I didn't want a milled back, I wanted a folded back. While milled backs are very beautiful and function as good if not better than a traditional folded back, they just aren't very traditional and I like the traditional styled tools. The problem was that I had no specialized tools for bending metal. I had read the Norse Woodsmith's article on making saws in which he makes a bending brake for folding brass backs but I didn't want to go through so much expense and trouble to find that I really didn't like making saws. I wanted to do this as inexpensively as possible and with as few specialized tools as possible. ![]() The next thing I had to figure out was how to finish bending this stuff into a folded saw back. At first I tried to play blacksmith and cold forge it with a 3 lb. hammer on the anvil of my machinist vise. After all, this is likely how saw backs were originally made in the 18th century. It worked eventually and I did build my first saw that way but the process of folding the back was slow and inacurate. I ended up with a lot of bends and twists in the back that I spent a lot of time and effort removing. In the end, removing the bends and twists resulted in a lot of dents and dings in the steel back that just would have taken too long to remove. I had to find a better way to bend the back for my second saw. ![]() So I started by cutting a piece of the steel angle to just slightly longer than the length I would need for the back of the saw. Leaving it a little long would allow for some filing to clean it up later. I placed the steel angle in the vise with the open part of the angle right down against the guide bars of the vise. I slowly applied pressure and began closing the bend. After just a little bending, I opened the vise, shifted the piece down and did the same on the part of the steel that extended outside of the vise jaws. I continued this process of bending and shifting the steel back and fourth to make sure I closed the bend evenly. Trying to close one end too much more than the other results in twisting and bending in ways that you don't want a saw back to twist and bend. ![]() After doing this about four or five times, I had the bend about half way closed. I had to move my clamps to keep the vise from shifting under the extreme tourque being applied but after moving the clamps everything seemed to work ok. I removed the piece from the vise often to make sure I was not introducing unwanted bends and twists like I had done with my forging attempt. Everything looked to be going well so I continued onward. I flipped the back over and finished closing the fold with the open end facing the top of the vise (which would actually be the floor in my setup. My vise had a small recess at the bottom that helped to finish closing the fold. Again, I worked slowly to close the fold evenly. Don't want to mess it up now. ![]() Success! The fold closed evenly and the back stayed straight. I ended up with a very nice saw back without all the cussing and fussing of the first one. Another benefit was that the steel was relatively unmarked on the sides. On my first attempt of cold forging a back, I did a lot of damage to the back that I just was not able to remove from the finished back without removing way too much metal. So I left it in. This back came out amazingly smooth and free of blemishes. Bonus! ![]() So I had one nice, straight, practically blemish free saw back. This picture was taken before I did any filing of chamfers or sanding to clean up the back itself. All that was left to do was tap in a piece of spring steel saw plate, fit a handle and some split nuts and file in some teeth. The back was the hard part and now it wasn't so hard anymore! Sweet! I was so thrilled I tried it again with some 1", 14 gauge stock I was planning to use for some larger tenon saws. The process worked equally well for a 16" and a 19" piece of 1" steel angle. Excellent! ![]() So here's the final result. A pair of matching saws. The handles are made from the last of a piece of bubinga that I had. The split nuts are built using the Norse Woodsmith "Poor Boy Split Nuts" method with a minor modification. Since I don't have the ability to silver solder or braze the brass, I used cyanoacrylate glue to attach the bolt head to the threaded brass rod. I also stole an idea from the Grammercy saws kits and used a lock washer under the bolt head to keep it from spinning instead of the traditional square shaft with matching mortise. Much less work and you can't tell the difference until you remove the bolts. CommentsSun, 25 Jan 2009 11:36:23 Wow! Very nice work! What an inspirational post. I am definitely going to try that out. Thanks Bob! Jamie Bacon Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:16:47 Great looking pair of saws. I've also been wanting to try this. Where did you get your saw plate? Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:45:03 Thanks guys! I highly recommend you try it. It is not as difficult as I originally thought it might be. The hardest part is the back. The rest is cake, especially if you already know how to sharpen saws. Jamie Bacon Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:40:10 Thanks for all the info Bob! I looked at the McMaster and MSC sites and looks like they have a nice selection. I think between the info you gave me and what I've read on the Norse Woodsmith, I should be in pretty good shape to tackle a saw or two. I was wondering how you cut your saw plate? I have access to a metal shear and was wondering if this would be a good way to do straight runs? I'm thinking about maybe trying a panel saw as well with a wide saw plate, curved at the toe like a Seaton saw. What would you think the best way to cut the curve? Thanks again so much for your help. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:16:49 Jamie, John Powers Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:00:02 Amazing. Over at the Depot getting supplies for By By Birdie set at Woodbury HS. Got a blue steel taping knife, pulled handle off and filed some teeth. It rips. Shame the folded back that comes on it is flimsy. Got Roys latest but will hold off on the pole lathe till you report. All this fret saw, coping saw turning saw for dovetail waste has got my head spinning. Mking a box for my new old Ward Master 45. My first chore is to really sharpen the chisles. Latesr foray into pine was a disaster. Thanks Robert. Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:39:03 I have a nice new dovetail saw. Filed the taping knife rip, gave a little set and used the back off an old stanley plastic miter box saw. Put the whole thing into a nice handle traced from a Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:57:58 Congratulations John! Pretty cool isn't it? I haven't built a rod or tied any flies in a long time but I'd say building tools is right up there in satisfaction level! Good job! John Powers Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:16:26 Graphite only. The new Hi-Build Epoxy for wrappings and a turning motor make anyone a pro with one coat of epoxy. I saved a tidy sum making a 3,4 two 5's, a six and a nine weight Loomis IMX. Working with cane has got to be a whole nother experience. Keep us posted on progress with Roy's lathe. Matt Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:10:10 Very nice Bob. I've been toying with making a saw myself and I have to say your bending method looks good. One question regarding spring steel. Is it not in a "roll" when purchased? How would you flattening something like that? Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:10:17 Matt, Matt Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:42:11 Thanks Bob! Leave a Reply |
































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